Yes, particularly white Germans. I think that has to do with, and it also depends on their age, older Germans had a lot of education with regard to the holocaust and I think issues of oppression and discrimination and results of the holocaust, they were brought up discussing that in schools.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
What I\u2019ve recently become aware of is that this kind of education is not as thorough as it used to be, that it covers it rather superficially and that as far as the educational system goes there is very little in the way of anti-black racism or racism against people of colour discussed, when people are prepared to discuss discrimination in Germany they usually focus on gender, and by gender they mean white women, they rarely look at other forms of discrimination or they rarely look at discrimination intersectionally, I think that\u2019s because they are new to these frameworks, that they are very used to self-identifying German or aligning what it means to be German with what it means to be white and I think that definitely makes it difficult for them to discuss race.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Older Germans are, I found, a mix, sometimes there are people very prepared to have the discussion, sometimes there are people very hesitant to have the discussion because they know where it will lead, I think there is a certain, some of the responses I\u2019ve gotten were, well we\u2019ve had this discussion with regards to the holocaust, why do we have to talk about race now, they feel like that, they don\u2019t align lessons of the holocaust with racial oppression on a global level, the results of that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Younger ones, I\u2019m a teacher in a college classroom, so younger Germans, my younger German students are sometimes the most attentive students in the class, I see international business management students they are interested in discussing these things, it\u2019s students coming from other places that are sometimes hesitant and I think that\u2019s because the information is new, the conversation is new, for them, they don\u2019t know how to navigate the conversation or even navigate their own feelings when they discuss race, in general outside of the classroom, when I\u2019ve had conversations with regard to race, it\u2019s usually, the response I\u2019ve gotten is a lot of defensiveness, \u201cI\u2019m a good person, I would never do that, I had holocaust education in school, we learned all about these things\u201d and that they\u2019re done, and there\u2019s not been very much in the way of continuing education on these things, they feel as if they\u2019re learning about these things as finite and that there\u2019s no more room for growth, that\u2019s my impression just from my interactions with people from a variety of backgrounds and strata.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
C: Glauben Sie, dass es den Deutschen schwerf\u00e4llt, \u00fcber Rasse zu diskutieren?<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Y: Ja, besonders wei\u00dfe Deutsche. Ich denke, das hat damit zu tun, und es h\u00e4ngt auch von ihrem Alter ab, \u00e4ltere Deutsche hatten eine Menge Bildung in Bezug auf den Holocaust und ich denke, Fragen der Unterdr\u00fcckung und Diskriminierung und Ergebnisse des Holocausts, sie wurden in den Schulen dazu erzogen, dar\u00fcber zu diskutieren.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Was mir in letzter Zeit bewusst geworden ist, ist, dass diese Art von Bildung nicht mehr so gr\u00fcndlich ist wie fr\u00fcher, dass sie es eher oberfl\u00e4chlich abdeckt und dass im Bildungssystem sehr wenig \u00fcber antischwarzen Rassismus oder Rassismus gegen Farbige diskutiert wird. Wenn Leute bereit sind, \u00fcber Diskriminierung in Deutschland zu diskutieren, konzentrieren sie sich normalerweise auf Gender, und mit Gender meinen sie wei\u00dfe Frauen.Sie betrachten selten andere Formen von Diskriminierung oder sie betrachten Diskriminierung selten intersektional. Ich denke, das liegt daran, dass sie diese Rahmenbedingungen nicht kennen. Dass sie sehr daran gew\u00f6hnt sind, sich als Deutsche zu identifizieren oder das, was es bedeutet, deutsch zu sein. Mit dem, was es bedeutet, wei\u00df zu sein, in Einklang zu bringen, und ich denke, das macht es definitiv schwierig f\u00fcr sie, \u00fcber Rasse zu diskutieren.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Einige der Antworten, die ich bekommen habe, waren, na ja, wir hatten diese Diskussion in Bezug auf den Holocaust, warum m\u00fcssen wir jetzt \u00fcber Rasse sprechen, sie f\u00fchlen sich so, sie bringen die Lektionen des Holocaust nicht mit der Rassenunterdr\u00fcckung auf globaler Ebene in Einklang, die Ergebnisse davon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Ich bin Lehrer in einem College-Klassenzimmer, also sind meine j\u00fcngeren deutschen Studenten manchmal die aufmerksamsten Studenten in der Klasse, ich sehe internationale BWL-Studenten, die daran interessiert sind, diese Dinge zu diskutieren, es sind Studenten, die aus anderen L\u00e4ndern kommen, die manchmal z\u00f6gern und ich denke, das liegt daran, dass die Informationen neu sind, die Konversation ist neu f\u00fcr sie, sie wissen nicht, wie sie mit der Konversation umgehen sollen oder sogar mit ihren eigenen Gef\u00fchlen, wenn sie \u00fcber Rasse diskutieren. Wenn ich au\u00dferhalb des Klassenzimmers Gespr\u00e4che \u00fcber Rassen f\u00fchre, ist die Antwort meist: “Ich bin ein guter Mensch, ich w\u00fcrde das nie tun, ich hatte Holocaust-Unterricht in der Schule und wir haben alles \u00fcber diese Dinge gelernt”, und dass sie fertig sind, Sie haben das Gef\u00fchl, dass sie \u00fcber diese Dinge endlich gelernt haben und dass es keinen Raum mehr f\u00fcr Wachstum gibt, das ist mein Eindruck, den ich aus meinen Interaktionen mit Menschen aus verschiedenen Schichten und Hintergr\u00fcnden gewonnen habe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Credits<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Presented by Black Brown Berlin<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Director & Producer by – Chanel Knight<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Assistant Director – Ibra Wane<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Videographer & Sound – Ibra Wane<\/p>\n\n\n\n
Editor – Jasco Ocsaj<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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